Writing is such a fickle thing that I often have a hard time articulating what it is I do or why I do it. If you’re looking for some sage-like wisdom about writing and publication, I’m not the keg to tap, so to speak. A lot of writers seem to have a lot to say about writing—as evidenced in the numerous articles and interviews and books on craft. I, however, do not. I operate according to the old Hemingway dictum: Writers write. When I try to be clever and witty and wise, I usually end up sounding like a dogmatic douche bag. So for this blog post I’m going to try to avoid any douche-baggery and try to keep it simple.
To begin, I’m not one of those people who knew from childhood that I was born to write. I didn’t start writing until late-adolescence when—and this should come as no surprise—I started to become a serious reader. In fact, I tend to agree with TC Boyle when he said in an interview, and I’m paraphrasing: The only reason we’re writers is because we’re not in rock and roll bands.
I mention this with two-fold intent. First, I think it’s of the utmost importance, as writers, to not take ourselves too seriously. I take my writing very seriously, but if I couldn’t laugh at myself and my words, I can’t imagine why I’d continue to do it. One of my pet-peeves is writers who come across as superior and supercilious. If you really want to make a change in the world, volunteer to help in Dafur. Being a writer or an artist does not absolve us from being decent human beings.
Secondly, I think Boyle’s rock star quote speaks to the need to be read. Musicians typically don’t play music in isolation or solely for themselves. They play with an audience in mind. When we write, we write to an imagined audience. If not, you’re journaling, and there’s nothing wrong with journaling; however, if you’re writing with the intent of being read by a larger audience then you’re writing for publication.
A discussion of publication is always dicey because the purists, and most teachers in MFA programs, want you to ignore it and concentrate solely on the craft. And I agree, you need to constantly work toward honing the craft, but at some point, egos factor into things, and let’s face it: we want to be in print.
Listen, I am not a literary superstar or a rising star or even a star of the small presses. I’m a high school teacher, first and foremost, and then a writer. I have been fortunate enough to have three books of poetry published (my latest came out in September from sunnyoutside press and is titled After the Honeymoon), a collection of short fiction—which, honestly, was not ready for publication—and seven or eight chapbooks of poetry and fiction. I say “fortunate” because I am really am lucky to have had these books published by various small presses. I truly believe that publication involves a good deal of luck and timing. Reading is subjective, so any time you have a piece published you made a connection with one or more editors. The best writing is not always the writing that is published: it’s the writing that found its way into the hands of the right editor or struck a chord at a specific time.
In that case, the best advice I can give people aspiring to publish books is, as the MFA programs tell you, first hone your craft, as reader and a writer; make connections with other writers and people in the industry; and finally, develop a tough skin and bombproof belief in what you’re writing and what you have to say.
And, for God’s sake, please don’t take yourself too seriously.
Thanks for listening, folks. If you have any questions, feel free to fire away.
If you’re interested in learning more about my books, you can visit my website:
http://www.nathangraziano.com, or my publisher's website: http://www.sunnyoutside.com.
(Robin here- I will try to get Nate's links to actually, you know, be LINKS, when I get in to the office today...)
Tuesday, November 3, 2009
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I LOVE the attitude in this post. Your high school students are very lucky.
Robin, thanks for bringing Nate over! Since he's new, we'll be gentle.
Questions to follow, after I check out the links...
:-)
Hi and thanks for sharing with us. I've read your short story and poem that Robin linked to yesterday and they are powerful writing.
if you’re writing with the intent of being read by a larger audience then you’re writing for publication.
I think I'm in some middle ground at the moment, like a musician who plays for their family and friends but not at the Albert Hall. I'd like to get my current story (a Nano "novel") finished and edited and good enough to share with friends but I'm a long way from writing anything that I would approach a publisher with.
Fairy,
I think you might be looking at something that would be self-published through a POD (print on-demand)and that IS an option I neglected to mention. Sure. But writing (or playing) for your family and friends is still "an audience," right? Just a much smaller one, and an appreciative audience who isn't to eviscerate your work or knock you off your high-horse. Sounds great, actually.
I say go with it, continue to revise and make it the best book you can, design your own cover, then look into POD companies (Lulu comes to mind).
I hope that helps.
Nate
Thanks, Nate. POD sound good for the place I'm at now.
And yes, my family and friends set the bar very low indeed. If it's mostly intelligible they like it.
As a question for Nate I would like to know how he manages to pack so much power into so few words. I often write just what's in my head and then pare back the unnecessary. I like flash fiction because it forces economy but in the novel situation I wonder if I should approach each chapter with the same method. Does Nate have a technique he'd like to share?
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Yes. Absolutely approach each the chapter the same way you'd approach flash fiction. Approach each sentence that way. I remember reading somewhere, and I'm not how true this is, that Nabakov used to write each sentence of his novels on separate index cards. Now, in a Green World, that seems a tad excessive and wasteful, but you get the pictre, Janey. Writing is done one line, one sentence at a time. With each sentence, ask yourself: "Is this working on multiple levels?" and "Is this vital to the reader's understanding of the story?" If the answer is "no" to either, cut it.
While you have more room to meander with novels, a tight, well-written novel is still about compression.
Does that help?
Nate
Thanks for answering Janey's question, Nate! Just popping on to say hi.
I agree about the flash - and about each sentence. I tend to go on and on (and on) naturally in my writing. Sometimes there's a place for it, but sometimes I now see that it was just me listenikng tio myself, and liking it. A lot of what I wrote has had to be excised, now that I'm editing my first novel - and I learned to do that and really 'know' when something mattered, when something didn't, by writing flash fiction.
I think you're absolutely on target, and I wish I'd understood that a year of more ago.
Seems to me I've had a hard time excising certain lines or paragraphs simply because I like them, and me 'liking them' is just too damn bad, right?
Nate - thanks so much for answering my question. I enjoyed your guest post very much and I agree wholeheartedly with your don't take yourself too seriously maxim. That way stress lies. I personally have no wish for the process of writing to become painful. That's not to say that I don't recognize that the process is work - I just see it as constructive work. I try not to let it become a battle .
I'm currently trying not to edit as I go along as it just constantly stalls my progress and it makes finishing anything frustratingly difficult. It's a real process trying to stall my inner editor just so I can keep moving, while knowing that the finished draft will require extensive pruning in order to be 'tight' and 'compressed'.
As I said - it a process. I'm still learning and I'm grateful for any insight.
Yes, Robin, I agree. There's a grave danger in falling in love with your own words. The other saying that is often used is: "Sometimes, in writing, you have to kill your own children for the sake of the story."
And, yes, Janey, I find it best to put your head down and plough through a draft before going back to edit. In the drafting stage, you're still discovering the story you want to tell, unless you're John Irving, who outlines all his novels before he starts writing. To me, that takes the fun out of it. It's important to remember: there is no such thing as a perfect poem, story, or novel. Just tell the best story you can, and write something you'd like to read. If you wouldn't want to read, why would anyone else?
I'm with you on the issue of not taking yourself too seriously.
Of course, there is a need to be professional in everything you do (don't bite people, etc), but there is a very fine line between doing what needs to be done and fostering an unhelpful spirit of upyerownarsiness. I've been guilty of the latter a few times this past year, and as I crawl, bloodied and beaten, to the end of my WIP, throwing out an eye to the world of agents and publishers, the rock band frivolity that prompts me to do all of this seems to shrivel in the face of said rectonavelgazing like a scrotum dipped in the Antarctic.
I had some thoughts on the inner editor, but they were douche-bag drivel so I left them out. If they make any sense next time they orbit round, I may come back to them.
Thanks for posting.
Being a writer or an artist does not absolve us from being decent human beings.
It doesn't? Damn!
I don't think I could face every sentence written on an index card. I would almost certainly throw away every one. "This is not a necessary addition to the world at large."
Do you "write large" on the first round? Or do your drafts tend to be around the length you'd like them?
I don't know much about chapbooks - I was in an electronic one once, but without pay and it disappeared without so much as a ripple. I presume it was based on something that usually is a bit more visible?
Ooops. Reposted out of pure vanity because I couldn't live with the mistake in my initial comment. :D)
Sylvia,
I tend to overwrite in drafts, until I have the story I want to tell, until it reveals itself to me. (I've always found it amazing how the subconscious mind works while we're writing; John Gardner talks about it in his "The Art of Fiction," which might be, along with Stephen King's "On Writing" and Anne Lamont's "Bird by Bird" the best book about craft I've read.)
I digress. After I have the story, it becomes a matter of condensing language, trimming the fat off the meat. So the stories I send out are usually shorter than the drafts.
One thing to try, if you haven't, is after your rough drafts, give yourself an arbitrary word count and don't go over it (for example, the the draft is 1400 words and this story will be no more than 1200 words). This is will force you to look hard at the words you're keeping and those that can be shit-canned.
I'll be check back in a bit.
Great post. Way too many people take themselves too seriously.
But my question is more theological in nature. I saw on your blog you recently wrote a letter to God in which you made a request of Him so humble and pure you may as well have been asking for air to breathe. However, I've always regarded the Yankees as proof that God does not exist. How do you square the existence of a loving God with the existence of the Yankees? I have tried many times and failed.
Good question, Troll. The only way I can answer that is to say that you MUST assume that the Yankees are evil, Satan, the ultimate darkness. If you can somehow create a dichotomy of good vs. evil that makes sense to you (because everyone else will think you're full of shit, and you know what, so will you)you get around the question. For me, religion is all about getting around questions.
I consider myself agnostic, by the way. I'm the King of Ambivalence when it comes to tough decisions.
Hi,
I'm finally home from work (the drive from DC to Northern Virginia makes me wanna drink my white wine when I get home) and taking The Blondster (translation for Nate - my daughter) to get her new contact lens prescription.
So, now I'm gonna take a read through the comments...
Hi, I'm here - late, but here - will read now and be back to discuss.
McK
Hm, really like your writing. You have a knack for building lives and scenes in just a few words. Interesting to read about your approach to building that economy. It's hard work, I know that. Slapping the words down in the first place is the easy bit!
But, along the lines of 'don't take yourself too seriously', here's my question. Princess Koala (6) has just started t-ball (the baby version of baseball/softball here in Oz - probably the same in the US). Regrettably, she hates it. Any tips to help her learn to love it?!
BT, feel free to pitch in, but, remember, she's six...
Hi, McK - I'm reading and catching up as well.
Nate, I thought I had the books on writing I needed, but I have to be honest and say I hadn't heard of Anne Lamont's book. From what you say, sounds like I should see about getting that one.
Also want to know what you think of a cute little Aussie Princess who doesn't like T-ball?
Just reread what you wrote at the end of your post, Nate...
bombproof belief in what you’re writing and what you have to say. That takes a while to develop, but I do think you're right.
I have to be honest, my knowledge of Aussie culture is limited to Foster's commercials and "Crocodile Dundee" films, and a horrific cautionary documentary about a woman doing life in prison in some Asian country for trafficking weed. I've got nothing.
Oh my, Schappelle Corby. That's a story (and a name) you just couldn't make up.
I'm so sorry...
Hey, you forgot koalas!
I love koalas and their entire koala community; i voted for and love obama and have a wall-sized sign in my garage, but feel a little jilted (but I made through eight years of biggest ass-hat and his fascist cronies).
I've had too much to drink tonight, so hey...
Cheers.
I hear koalas can be dangerous to the point of being walking death with fur.
Meanwhile, I slept on this one and had a few thoughts about the inner editor here.
I completely see where you're coming from. I sometimes outline story ideas, but in the end, I never follow my outline. My characters do things that shock and surprise me. That's part of what I love about writing.
In the end, it's a little like fucking: we all do it our own way, and hopefully, when we're finished, the person is satisfied.
I know, that was pretty crude, but I hope see my point.
And sometimes when you're fucking it's good to change positions so you don't lose the magic!
And sometimes, dare I say, you get your self off.
Which is also nice...
This analogy is like the gift that keeps on giving!!!
Hell, I just came on and read, and may I say, I'm getting a good gift from this. I'm laughing my ass off at work. Always a good thing.
Hysterical laughter echoes from the UK too.
Just watching...
So, uh, Nate - is this anything like the discussions you have following readings?
This thread is going in the gutter, huh? It's par for the course for me. Typically, I can maintain a posture for only so long, until I fall into my comfort zone: off-color humor and retarded sexuality.
By the way, my new book is reviewed in a New Hampshire newspaper today, if you're interested:
http://www.hippopress.com/books/After%20the%20honeymoon.html
And I'd like to invite anyone to join my blog, and if you'd like a signed copy of my latest book, email me. I can get the book at an author's discount and sign it for you, or you could go the Amazon.com route.
And, finally, for any of you who might live in or around New England, I will be reading in Boston tomorrow night.
The discussions following reading usually consist of college kids forced to go see me for their creative writing class. Seldom can I open up like this.
Thanks for hanging out with us, Nate. I just popped over and read the review. Good stuff.
And as for what you said...Typically, I can maintain a posture for only so long, until I fall into my comfort zone: off-color humor and retarded sexuality... I think you probably already noticed, you can feel free to have at it here. We like that stuff.
Well, I know Ilike that stuff, it's what makes life survivable, to me, and no one else around here minds (except for Janey, of course, prim and proper girl that she is)!
Anyway, I've joined your blog and look forward to reading. Please come hang out with us some, too, at our various watering holes.
And sign me up for the signed book. I'd really like that! I'll email you my address.
Damn. Missed all of this. Really don't get to the blogs and so forth until Fridays nowadays.
Great post, Nate!
And I'm even later than Stacy. Great post and funny comments!
Thanks to Nate and Robin!
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