Some rambles on my way to the point of a private place to write:
Three summers ago I began writing sketches and scenes and making notes about a novel that had been in my head for a while. I'd written a lot in my teens and early twenties, had been told I was good, I floundered with the idea of writing, and life went on.
Several months later, I found Sparky's blog and I hovered and read it, sent in an opening, sent more stuff, and what was the most key for me, began doing the writing exercises. They were great for whittling word count, for finding and honing the point of a scene. And sometimes we could send in a scene from our work. Oftentimes, this gave me the opportunity to sift through notes and actually write the scene that had been murking around inside my thoughts but had never quite made it to paper. Or laptop file. Sparky doesn't know this, but he quite literally helped me write my novel.
And I found you guys. It was, and is, wonderful.
Other excellent things happened along the way, that seemed just fun or just work or just something when they happened, but all came together as a way of spurring on the work...
....Chris had a month long writing exercise a while back, and it helped me focus and write one of the most emotionally difficult chapters in my novel, a climactic chapter two-thirds of the way through, because I didn't wanna let her down and not write. I wrote quickly, almost automatically, to get that done, and it's one of the besy chapters in my novel. (I've sent this out to several lit mags as a stand-alone story, and while it wasn't published, I received several personal motes back along the lines of - it made several cuts - loved the voice, the rhythm - loved almost all of it, really, it just needed... - that kind of thing. The point is, if I'd had the time to hone it to a story and sent it out to more than seven or eight places, I'd have done the deal.)
...Shona had a writing exercise several months later, and it gave me a reason to finish another sketched out and difficult chapter.
...I've read for some of you, and some of you have read for me. The knowledge that someone is waiting for your pages is huge. It's an anchor.
(There are more things to go here, some hopefully helpful to you, but I have to go to work, so I'll add later.)
When I wrote...I have a boatload of pictures and I was gonna put more on, but if I did, and explained them all and how they fit into the woven fiction of the novel I've written, and the ones to come, I might as well just set those suckers up as combo plan picture-books/memoirs, another genre entirely, and make it the truth instead of The Truth, and that would be much too much information, and besides, I think the best fiction lends universality to the concrete, the mundane and the every day, so if I send too many pictures along I think I'd be undermining my writing.
And I've seen things on some of your blogs that are so damn good, I've thought about the words being squandered - not that we ourselves aren't a killer good audience, but still.
I mentioned about being on the fence before and part of what I meant was - I think we're walking along the top of a fence line when we write on our blogs.
I'm going to start a private blog where I place things I may want to use later. Or sooner. A test place, a place to post things so that they feel 'solidified', accomplished - this place won't require comments, it won't require anything unless requested. What I'm saying is, I think we could all do with a place that no one can visit without permission - so we can post things and write and prep and instead of being a distraction from the writing we should be doing - which is - after all - how and why we know each other - it will be the place we can post writing to look over and think over, and, if we want, we can ask for comments - if we don't, we won't ask and won't receive. It's not another layer of work - instead, it's a place to help us focus. A place to practice or try out voice or structure.
Either way, it's a place to put something up and get work done without any way the world can read in, before we're ready.
What do you think?
Friday, July 10, 2009
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At the moment, I'm lukewarm — not because I don't think it's a good idea, but I'm standing in a pool of cold custard.
I'm not sure I have anything to flag up in this way until I get started on Book #2, which won't be for a while yet as Book #1 won't relinquish WIP status without a fight.
But keep me posted.
On another note, I have similar feelings about EE. It's been a real help pruning back the waffle.
You could use the Minions site for showing off your writing when you feel up to it, and if you want an unpublished blog or site with your writing, that's cool, too.
I don't feel the need to hang my stuff out in limbo when I have the limbo of my hard drive, lol. To each their own on that.
But, yes, it does help to have people waiting for the next chapter to read.
I do enjoy the blog friends I've made in the past 3 years of blogging.
So that's how it all started.
I've made a place for myself to put up stories I'm writing. I used Google Sites. (I got the idea from Bevie.) It's a bit like you said: no one can visit without permission. I'm not sure I'm ready for anyone else to read what I've written, yet.
Oh, and thank you for your comments on my What shall I write? post. They were very inspirational. I'm so glad we met, first through EE and then face to face!
I think that's a great idea, and I totally agree. When I'm pressed for time the blog is the first thing to go. And while I shudder to think what would happen to the world without irregular updates on the nefarious ways of the dolphin, at some point, I think, the world has to take care of itself.
Ditto on the waffle pruning. Of all the things I've learned on EE's site, that's been the biggest help.
I was going to offer the Minions site, too. Let me know if you want help with setting up permissions and things (not even all the minions can see everything, if you choose)
I'll absolutely keep you posted, Whirl.
WW, no worries at all - I'm right there with you on 'to each their own'.
Thanks for the idea, FH, and I'm glad your writing is flowing - i'm so glad we met as well!!
Great, BT.
Arein, I really appreciate the thought, sweetie, but I'm looking at doing something a lot more drilled down and quiet - but I very much appreciate the offer.
Hey, no worries. I didn't think so, from your post.
HOWEVER. Speaking of the Minions site - wanna meet at BEA next year?
I have multiple answers, which will probably just confuse things more.
First, I really want to run out to every person who writes a blog and hand them a notebook (electronic or real, I don't care) and say, "here's where your first drafts belong."
One of the things I love about this crowd is that everyone does appear to actually think about what they are writing. Posts are thought-through and proof-read and sensible. Rarely is something retracted on the basis of "I posted that and immediately regretted it."
BUT I think that I would struggle with a place to post without comments. Either it's in my notebook (and not done) or it's on the web (and I want discussion). I'm not sure I could mix and match on that score.
Second: Robin Hobb's Rant About Blogs
It really makes me think about writing online and keeping the timehit in reason. And yes, I have three blogs (GAH) and so I'm not by any means saying "don't blog" but I think Hobb has an important thing to say about "easy writing" and ensuring it doesn't take over.
But then, I have a friend who posts every day, no matter what happens. And although her blog isn't always very good, her writing has improved tremendously. She's stopped writing fiction, which saddens me, but her self-worth and confidence have gone up as well, so, hey, I don't know that I'd call it bad. It's disappointing for me, who wants to read more of her work, but what the hell...
I'm with Sylvia here. I've been up for half an hour now and I haven't written a thing. My list of Must Visit blogs is reproducing like evil bacteria in a detergent advert.
Sylvia and ril -
You guys are saying what I'm saying, really - I'm cutting back on blogging.
From now on, I'm not going to post things here that I feel I might be able to use to build my platform/get my work out into the world. When I have an idea and then an urge to write a post, I'm going to write it, now that I have the rhythm of that quick-paced writing feeling for a blog post in my box of useful tools, but I'm going to post it in a closed environment, and with an end game in mind - for publication.
Life's too short, is what I've decided - and I only have so many days to write.
I used to only visit EE. Now I visit EE and 12 other blogs (that's cut back from many more).
Anyway, I'm really happy we blog - it's how we stay in touch, and we can 'see' each other here, and visit, and we've gotten to know each other. Each blog is a personality-filled home.
But mine is gonna be strictly a friends place now - with pictures, a bit of a chat. I won't be doing another long post.
I figure maybe we could do a quarterly/seasonal voice thing for fun. When I first started these, we just about all did them when I said "Hey, wanna do a voice thing?", but that's died down as we all got busy, etc.
I didn't get into blogging with everyone until EE's big party last year - and it snowballed from there. Whirl, I was where you are a couple of times, visiting blogs so much I wasn't writing - which is how we know each other in the first place. The writing. So that's a good thing in one way- helps you see you're not alone, but in the other way - it's long-term negative, in that now you aren't doing the thing you need to do.(And you and Sylvia and a couple of others have put writing on your blogs that's too damn good to be frittered. It's really good.)
So - I'm going back to my roots - I'm sticking with EE's, because with the zany going on there, I learned a helluva lot. And I'll be visiting you guys to say hi, and once a week or so, popping something on here - a pic, an update, whatever, just something social.
I'm really glad we know each other - you guys are important to me - but we need to 'get the job done' - and that's the writing.
AND - I've met a lot of you now, and, because of a new position I'm taking where I work, I'll be traveling quite a bit around the U.S., I'm hoping to meet the rest of you guys, because you're my friends, and that means I'm now past the want for a super-active blog.
I'm with you on the slow down on blogging and get real writing done thing. Can't make a long comment today. My laptop screen is dying. New laptop? New monitor? Will let you know...
Oh and hope to meet you in person if you're over this way!!!
Hey Sarah,
I'm really hoping I can get out to your neck of the woods!
What is the Minions site, if I may ask?
Hi EE, You definitely may ask, since the use of that word, in this group, is absolutely supposed to be about you.
It's a meeting site - I don't know much about it - been on once. I'm guessing it's a nice place, but I am surprised that the leader of the/and the person who's the point of being called a Minion, hasn't been invited to join.
I've also heard from other long-time Minions who haven't been invited, so I'm led to wonder if perhaps a different name should be used for the meet-up place, to be honest.
I'm glad EE asked because I didn't know either. I thought I'd forgotten something that had already been spelled out.
Perhaps the site could use a new name.
And hey, FH,you and I were part of the original Minion Meet-up, so it has already been done - in London, in April. There were others before and there'll be others after, and they'll all be good (paca and McK are getting together this coming week in Hawaii)! But I'll be planning my own with my friends and let them happen naturally, organically, as April happened, and I know I'll see you and Janey, and hopefully Whirl, and Sylvia if she flies over!! - when I come to Britain.
And I already visit the blogs of you guys I know well. They're my meet-up places, and that's the way I like it - as long as my list is small and do-able. And it is. I'm going to follow the formula that FH and McK and others have - keeping in touch, but keeping the posts short, and the writing separate.
I'm going back over to spend most of the time I spend blogging, on EE's, which, as I mentioned earlier, is where I learned the most and met most of you in the first place.
Paca tweeted that he almost hit a 'roo. Well, he had to stop to not hit one.
I'm with you, Robin. I don't have enough time as it is and I want more time for my writing. Which means less time blogging and reading blogs in general. And yet, I value you guys that I met at EE's (and EE, too!)
I've been trying to do more over there without much success. Haven't done the weekly exercise in forever, but I have posted a couple of lame continuations.
So I've been thinking a lot about what to do and not do. I didn't join Minions as it asked for my birthdate and I hate sites that do that. I also don't need yet one more site to check (even though I've signed up for Twitter).
I will figure it out, more or less, eventually. See you at the Evil One's!
Crikey. Okay, before we get all 6th-grade, I was the one who created the Minions site and it's no big secret or anything - it was just an easy place to talk about meet-ups happening - and I'm sorry if I used a label I shouldn't have used. Also, the very first post I made there I was clear that I didn't have contact info for everyone and that anyone should feel free to invite anyone else. Sorry, I will take the site down and agree never to use the "M" word ever again and I apologize if I don't qualify for membership. Sheesh.
OK, to be fair, Aerin posted at the start to ask the people she invited to please invite everyone else that they could think of.
It very clearly wasn't meant to be an exclusive group or cut people out.
It doesn't seem to give notifications which is a little bit of a pain but to me, it seemed useful as a centralised place to put notifications.
I posted to it today as it happens. I made a list of people whose stories I'd found on the In Vino Veritas competition and was trying to think of a centralised spot to put it for people to use. I was about to leave it in the comments of Writtenwyrd's blog when I remembered the group that Aerin set up. It was useful to have some place to put it.
I hope you don't take the site down, Aerin. It sounds like a good idea. I just didn't know (don't know) how to get there so I assumed that it wasn't meant for me. I wondered if it was a group of minions that had got together before my time. Maybe it is.
It's OK. There are all sorts of groups around, some open and some closed. It's no big deal.
That 'sixth grade' comment was out of order on my blog, not to mention a tad seventh grade in substance. That said, it's good to know the blog now has a new name, and I'm sure it's gonna be very helpful and enjoyable for the people who participate.
Now this matter is closed, and the questions answered, on this blog at least.
Although I got credited with, I think, an earlier Whirl comment, I'll jump in late and add my own.
I agree.
The reason I've resisted the blog thing is really the time-sink issue. The desire to keep some level of quality, yet the need to post somewhat regularly, makes me think it would use up more of my time than it should, given other things I could be doing. There are a lot of people out there very adept at maintaining interesting, informative and well-written blogs. I'm not sure I have much to add, so I'll stay content to leach off other people's work. Thanks, EE.
I don't visit many blogs. There's only one I check compulsively for updates, because its content and viewpoint just fit me like a glove. There's a small hand-full of others that I just like to visit; but not many.
I think the blogging phenomenon is wonderful, and it's amazing how many people can really write well; even if they don't aspire to be authors. For now, though, I don't aspire to be a blogger...
ril,
I couldn't have said it better myself (and I didn't).
Thanks.
Wow, did you know there was a limit to the length of blogger comments?
I've just gone over it!
I've been thinking about this some more.
I'm sure I am not the only one who has managed to block out writing time: a day, a week, blissfully dedicated to creation, just to find that at the end of it, I have not achieved very much.
Having the time to write is critical, but it's nothing without motivation.
Blogs may be a time-sink but that extra time doesn't always make me write more.
I read an article about how creative people work and it recommended looking at your everyday activities that took your energy away and the ones that gave you energy.
I didn't really understand what the author meant. I never did the exercise.
But I think I understand better now.
Reading a book is a neutral activity for me - a way of taking a break. But now I've found that taking part in the book chats is something I really look forward to. It makes me think about words and themes and deeper meanings. It's revitalising.
After we had that meet-up in London, I was so hyper and excited about writing (well, ok, directly after the meet-up I was hungover and hated the world. The day AFTER that, however...) that I couldn't wait to get to work. I was so energetic, my friend threatened to put me on a leash. I couldn't stop talking about writing. It breathed a lot of energy into my spare time and helped me to focus.
I don't have local friends who write. I really do value my friends but if we talk about writing, it's them listening to me. It's not a discussion or at least it's unlikely to be a productive one.
What I get from online messages and blog posts and emails (and yes, twitter) is invaluable: I am a part of a community that I would otherwise never get access to. I am taking part in discussions that don't take place in the pub down the road. I am sharing experiences that the people around me simply don't have context for.
So that's the positives.
Now I could take part in the blogs and not have my own (and like Robin, I did that for a long time, contenting myself with leaving comments on other blogs) but in the end, it felt a bit to me like mothers who don't immunize their kids. Yeah, it's their choice but realistically the only reason it works is because the majority of other mothers ARE immunizing, so they are providing a safe environment for the few un-immunized ones.
Maybe I should lay off the analogies.
To be honest, I started my blog because I felt stupid leaving long missives like this one in other people's comments. I created Can't Backspace out of fear that someone would say "FFS, make your own blog and stop writing all over mine."
I agree with what Robin Hood said in the rant that I posted above. The huge issue with blogs (and message boards, and chats, and twitter, and email) is the temptation of an immediate reward.
However, I disagree with her implication that I should hold back words because there might be a finer place for them. I should refine them and keep working on them, sure. But so many big ideas that I've had have come from small ideas, shared. I have so often written a paragraph or two and thought (maybe that day, maybe a year later) "I can do something with that."
My belief: If I hadn't been writing the baby thought for sharing, then I wouldn't have found the full-blown concept. Refining it to show a friend was part of the formation process.
Having said all that, I allocated five minutes to writing down my response and I've spent 30 minutes already. I could easily spend the rest of the day writing comments like this one and reading random posts and taking part in discussions and instant messages and that's before even considering logging into facebook. But that's an issue with me, not the fact that the content is there. I could equally spend the day watching soap opera or reading Harlequin Romances or playing World of Warcraft or doing the cross word.
So it comes back down to balance. I have to prioritise how I want to spend my free time. I have set times when I'm allowed to read webpages. I don't feel even the vaguest obligation to blog every day. I read sites like EE's as a reward, for work done. The fact that this wonderful and intellectually stimulating community exists makes me happy every day but I know that if I switch off the computer for the rest of the week, you'll still be there on Saturday for me to catch up with.
(ARGH! And now, I've used up all my free words for the day and all my free time for the week! Er, you will still be here on Saturday, right?)
After we had that meet-up in London, I was so hyper and excited about writing (well, ok, directly after the meet-up I was hungover and hated the world. The day AFTER that, however...) that I couldn't wait to get to work. I was so energetic, my friend threatened to put me on a leash. I couldn't stop talking about writing. It breathed a lot of energy into my spare time and helped me to focus.
I don't have local friends who write. I really do value my friends but if we talk about writing, it's them listening to me. It's not a discussion or at least it's unlikely to be a productive one.
I'm right there with you, Sylvia.
You guys are my dear friends.
I'm not anti-blogging - it's how we know each other.
But I could see that I was spending more time prepping a post -and spending that energy you mentioned (and you're right - there's a finite amount of that good stuff) AND, just as important, writing things that I could be using to get my name out in the world, as a writer - which is the point of how we all know each other in the first place, right?
So I'm going to keep visiting, on EE's and your all's - but my posts are going to be more friend-oriented, short and sweet, keep in touch things, and I'm separating the writing - keeping the energy, and the words, separate, where they have a shot at doing me some good.
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